TESTING GROUND: THE LISTENING BODY: LISTENING EVENT III: TRANSCRIPTION

The following is an AI-transcription of the full recording of the event – the recording were started 15-30 minutes into the event.

Please be aware of consistent and radical spelling mistakes by the AI – the transcription is NOT corresponding to the actual speech spoken at the event. This is something else – something of it’s own.

[00:00 – 00:09] is a bad realm, bad existence, you curve soft and inviting. Deep under a wavy foundation of concrete,
[00:10 – 00:21] your roots stretch your story, your anchoring. With a few of secret corridors, at the sound of the invisible string melody,
[00:21 – 00:31] your curves coquettishly break with boxes and angles. Watched by civilization, overlooked by the same.
[00:32 – 00:41] Hard works bumbling behind a facade. It has nothing to do with you. Distance releases you from responsibility.
[00:42 – 00:53] A hidden tattoo in an armpit, a bruise on the cheek, an unexpected balance point, a life. Thank you for the invitation.
[00:59 – 01:10] Rather. And fixating or understanding our body as an isolated entity. How may we treat ourselves as bodies,
[01:11 – 01:22] always in a process of going visiting in this world, always in movement, in transformation, in exchange?
[01:25 – 01:32] How would that affect and change the way we are as bodies in this world?
[01:35 – 01:44] Rather than asking, where does an individual body stop and a collective body start, we might wonder,
[01:44 – 01:53] in what ways are we always differently separated and connected, but never the same body?
[01:56 – 02:05] If we treat our bodies as a fleshy archive, an archive of the flesh, what would we find in such archive?
[02:07 – 02:18] What traumas, forgotten wisdom, or crazy movements would we discover? What would be uniquely stored in our own archive of the flesh?
[02:19 – 02:31] And what information do all our bodies carry around with collectively? How may we let the body surrender?
[02:32 – 02:44] How may we surrender to being a body? And how may a surrendering body take us somewhere else? Let us be something different.
[02:48 – 03:01] In what way is both the comfort and discomfort a central experience of the body? And how may we find support and allyship in the body
[03:01 – 03:10] when attempting to listen to what we disagree with, to what might hurt us? What might the body have to tell us?
[03:14 – 03:23] And to end, what is the body? I would like to pass on a sentence that Anna Francisca spoke the other day. She said,
[03:24 – 03:34] The body is an ongoing question to the world. The body is an ongoing question to the world.
[03:45 – 03:48] Read deeply.
[04:00 – 04:11] Feel what it means to be a body. Your body. Right here. Right now.
[04:12 – 04:20] With other bodies. Read again.
[04:26 – 04:31] Let your breath travel deep into your flesh.
[04:35 – 04:40] Let it travel into the ground beneath you.
[04:40 – 04:53] Feel how the pulse of your body, how your breath,
[04:55 – 05:05] extends into the surfaces below you. Into foamy shapes.
[05:06 – 05:11] Into cement flooring.
[05:15 – 05:19] Breathe onwards beyond the flooring into the ground below it.
[05:20 – 05:29] Let your breath and pulse reverberate down
[05:31 – 05:43] through sewage system canals. Let your breath, gas pipes, underground infrastructures,
[05:46 – 05:56] subway tunnels, down into the ground water.
[05:57 – 06:10] Feel how the gushing and gurgling of the ground
[06:11 – 06:19] resonates into the waters of your body. The fluids of your stomach.
[06:20 – 06:25] The blood pumping through your veins.
[06:30 – 06:38] The soon to be released urine in your bladder. The spit in your mouth.
[06:44 – 06:57] And slowly let your body move with all these fluid deposits. The ones in your body. And the ones deep below you in the ground.
[07:01 – 07:11] Feel how the weight of the water in your body maybe slowly shifts to one side. And let your body follow the weight.
[07:15 – 07:26] The water. All the water in your body suddenly gush into your arm. Let the arm become completely heavy. Let your body follow.
[07:28 – 07:30] Allow movement to happen.
[07:30 – 07:46] Pour into your head.
[07:46 – 07:55] Let your head become heavy with fluids and sink towards the ground. Don’t resist. Let it happen.
[08:04 – 08:17] Feel how the movement travels from your body into the other body’s in. Small impulses. Shifts of weight in proximity.
[08:20 – 08:32] Let all the fluids fall to the back of your head and feel how the back of your head is pulling your neck down towards. And breathe.
[08:32 – 08:45] Now try to notice the sounds.
[08:49 – 08:58] The very small sounds close to you. The sounds coming from your own body.
[08:59 – 09:10] The sounds from the space. From the other body’s here.
[09:29 – 09:35] Try to open your body to receive all the sounds from the present.
[09:49 – 09:50] All of them.
[09:50 – 10:10] Focus on one sound.
[10:12 – 10:23] Can you ever stop to think? And try to let it fill your entire body. Where?
[10:44 – 10:50] Can you position your body in a way as to receive the sound even more?
[10:50 – 11:11] What does the sound become inside your body?
[11:25 – 11:30] Shape? Movement?
[11:38 – 11:47] Let it pull you to the brim. Even if it’s the small hissing sound a little delicious.
[11:47 – 11:56] Let it become gigantic inside you. To the point where you’re about to burst.
[12:30 – 12:36] Slowly find a way. Come to your feet.
[13:10 – 13:17] And as you stand here once again feel your weight. Your pulse. Your breath.
[13:18 – 13:30] Reaching down through all the layers of soil.
[13:32 – 13:44] The sewage pipe system. And further down. And try to let your body become an antenna.
[13:44 – 13:52] Let it seek out the sounds you hear.
[13:52 – 14:15] It’s acting.
[14:16 – 14:28] It is seeking. It’s not just receiving. It’s acting. It’s seeking out the smallest impulses.
[15:08 – 15:10] So, shadow.
[15:19 – 15:31] Maybe an ink chamber. Come to this soft gaze.
[15:32 – 15:41] Almost blindly. Try to turn your head. And sense how the details shift.
[15:47 – 15:49] Light and shadow.
[16:01 – 16:02] Nothing moving.
[16:02 – 16:23] Just letting.
[16:23 – 16:46] It can be close by or it can be far away.
[16:46 – 16:57] Try to feel how this form resonates into your body.
[17:02 – 17:04] Is it heavy?
[17:06 – 17:28] Again try to position your body so as to receive this shape as fully as possible.
[17:28 – 17:39] This feeling. Enter your body.
[17:40 – 17:53] Let it get bigger.
[17:55 – 18:03] Exaggerate your position. What can you do with your body to receive this? What does it call for?
[18:11 – 18:16] Let it fill your entire being. And shape you.
[18:17 – 18:32] Give it an action.
[18:32 – 18:39] Almost as if this was another universe. As it goes at a distance.
[18:55 – 19:07] And as you keep connected to that mother. Gradually move your body so that it touches.
[19:16 – 19:24] Staying connected. To what you’re focusing on. Letting your body become the key.
[19:41 – 19:53] The resonance moving through your body. Let the resonance keep on moving your body. Let the movement travel from your body.
[19:54 – 19:56] Into the other body.
[19:56 – 20:09] And feel how the movement of the other bodies travels back into your body.
[20:09 – 20:19] And into the connection. So if you’re focusing on let it get bigger.
[20:19 – 20:58] How does the connection to that thing you’re focusing on shape your body?
[20:58 – 21:04] Staying connected. Staying focused. Staying curious.
[21:16 – 21:19] Allow yourself to be surprised by what it does to you.
[21:59 – 22:01] Move closer still.
[22:10 – 22:12] Staying connected.
[22:20 – 22:27] Now open your eyes a bit more. And focus on the detail. Very closely.
[22:38 – 22:50] Intently on that one detail. Try to get closer to it. While staying connected to the other bodies.
[23:06 – 23:18] Feel how it informs you of something. Some kind of impulse is traveling from it into your body.
[23:19 – 23:22] Onwards from your body to the other bodies.
[23:22 – 23:43] A sort of tentacular attention.
[23:44 – 23:47] A rest. A view of your surroundings.
[24:12 – 24:21] Loads of eyes again. And while staying connected.
[24:22 – 24:27] See if you can find your way to a laying position.
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[58:52 – 59:03] to Testing Ground as a format and we’ll sort of introduce the different, I don’t know if you can call them speakers, but informants or listeners, people.
[59:05 – 59:13] Okay, so, well, Testing Ground is one of our sort of alternative formats for practice-based
[59:13 – 59:26] research and it’s sort of, it was founded on the principles for artists, writers and curators to try out their research in front of an audience, to view, to rehearse their
[59:26 – 59:33] methods or create new ones. It’s a way to meet peers and those who aren’t peers in a setting that’s in an experimental
[59:33 – 59:40] spirit and it’s open to a long range of expressions and discourses that may or may not connect to artistic practice.
[59:41 – 59:49] Testing Ground at ARCHA has taken the form of podcasts, live editing sessions, theatre plays, a blind cinema.
[59:49 – 59:57] And now also listening as artistic practice with the Bureau for Listening and tonight especially the Listening Body.
[59:58 – 01:00:07] Bureau for Listening consists of Anthony Lindharten, Lukas Grøn and Enele Sædlstedt and was founded in 2021.
[01:00:08 – 01:00:18] They’ve already initiated or been involved in a long range of activities and I would say that it’s characteristics for Bureau of Listening that they work
[01:00:19 – 01:00:29] in and between different fields of knowledge, that they are happy to think and feel out loud about listening and they’re both poetically and politically attuned in what they do.
[01:00:30 – 01:00:42] And to explore the Listening Body, the theme of tonight’s Testing Ground, Bureau for Listening has invited Nanna-Francie Skesh of London, who works performatively and research-based
[01:00:43 – 01:00:53] with encounters and co-creational processes spanning species and groups of systems. And central to her work is the use of the body as a living tool for research and creation
[01:00:53 – 01:01:04] and had the very great honour of participating in one of those workshops this week, which I think was a quite sort of like formative experience for me and thank you for that.
[01:01:05 – 01:01:17] In a very good way. And since 2016, her work has explored interactions with other than human entities and phenomena such as rocks, bronchi, cultures, soil, wind and plants. Thank you.
[01:01:17 – 01:01:29] Barbara Kovachova, I hope that I pronounced that correctly, is Slovakian, Copenhagen-based conceptual artist, composer, ceramicist and poet.
[01:01:30 – 01:01:36] Her work continues to take on new forms of expressions in order to explore the erratic nature of the human psyche.
[01:01:36 – 01:01:46] Her work often articulates itself as performative, sound installations and happenings, with an emphasis on the site-specific aspect of each piece.
[01:01:46 – 01:01:55] And finally, I want to say that this is the third event out of all, and the next one and the last one will take place on the 19th of April.
[01:01:57 – 01:02:09] And also a quick note that I’m very happy and honored to be here to experience it. It’s very beautiful. Thank you. Then I’ll leave the work to you.
[01:02:11 – 01:02:21] Thank you. Thank you for fire. Um. So welcome to this second half of the evening.
[01:02:24 – 01:02:36] We will just share a few quotes that we have worked with a bit throughout this week that
[01:02:36 – 01:02:48] has resonated with us, just to plant a couple of seeds with you before we move on. Thank you. So the next part.
[01:02:49 – 01:02:57] The quotes are also in a piece of paper that you can get afterwards.
[01:02:57 – 01:03:03] And on that piece of paper also says who wrote it or said it and where.
[01:03:12 – 01:03:20] Resonance is a kind of relationship to the world formed through affect and emotion, intrinsic
[01:03:20 – 01:03:29] interest and perceived self-efficacy, in which subject and world are mutually effective in transforming.
[01:03:30 – 01:03:40] Resonance is not an echo, but a responsive relationship, requiring that both sides speak with their own voice.
[01:03:41 – 01:03:52] This is only possible where strong evaluations are affected. Resonance implies an aspect of constitutive inaccessibility.
[01:03:54 – 01:04:05] Resonant relationships require that both subjects and the subject are in harmony. The subject and the world be sufficiently closed or self-consistent so as to each speak
[01:04:05 – 01:04:14] in their own voice while also remaining open enough to be affected or reached by each other.
[01:04:15 – 01:04:28] Resonance is not an emotional state but a mode of relation that is mutual with respect to emotional content. This is why we can love. Say.
[01:04:28 – 01:04:29] and sad stories.
[01:04:35 – 01:04:45] Exploring the relation between the invitational potential of affordances and the action capabilities of the body.
[01:04:46 – 01:04:56] Our bodies always extend and connect to other bodies, human and non-human,
[01:04:56 – 01:05:06] to practices, techniques, technologies and objects which produce different kinds of bodies and different ways, arguably,
[01:05:06 – 01:05:18] of enacting what it means to be human. The idea of the body as simply something we both have and are is displaced in this perspective,
[01:05:19 – 01:05:30] as the focus shifts to what bodies can do, what bodies could become, what practices enable and coordinate the doing of the body.
[01:05:33 – 01:05:38] And what this makes possible in terms of our approach
[01:05:38 – 01:05:46] to questions about life, humanness, culture, power, technology and subjectivity.
[01:05:48 – 01:05:59] These are some of the things which radically refigure the idea of the body as a substance or entity, and even as distinctly human.
[01:05:59 – 01:06:10] I would like to thank you for your time. Our struggles then must begin with the re-appropriation of our body,
[01:06:10 – 01:06:23] the re-valuation and re-discovery of its capacity for resistance and expansion and celebration of its powers, individual and collective.
[01:06:24 – 01:06:35] The skin is what confirms the world. It meets the world to assist in navigating the material
[01:06:35 – 01:06:45] and social shape of things, and how these things are made available or not, put in reach of one’s self or withdrawn.
[01:06:46 – 01:06:53] We may say that I am grounded in my skin, and it is through my skin that I find my ground.
[01:06:53 – 01:06:59] I am just here, alone.
[01:07:11 – 01:07:23] So here for the second half, we would like to invite you to go into little groups, guided groups, where it is possible for you to share,
[01:07:24 – 01:07:35] put words on your relationship with the listening body. There will be some questions that I have here, and I will put you into the groups, and the groups also have some kind of progression.
[01:07:36 – 01:07:47] But the idea is that where the first half was just this experience of the body itself, the second half is where we can perhaps listen to our own bodies and each other’s and the different experiences,
[01:07:47 – 01:07:57] and see how we perhaps can mirror ourselves into each other, learn from each other. But there is no pressure on giving words or sharing words.
[01:07:57 – 01:08:09] Being the body that listens is also valid and important. So this is all just an invitation. However, I will now move around and put you into groups of three,
[01:08:09 – 01:08:19] and give you a question. Each group will have different questions, and if you need more questions, I will come with one, just to spark and drive a little conversation.
[01:08:20 – 01:08:25] So it will be very easy going. No worries.
[01:08:58 – 01:09:11] Thank you. That’s very nice. It’s very attentive. Yeah. It’s all of him.
[01:09:12 – 01:09:24] He’s really grabbed my attention. Uh-huh. I like it. If you want. Yeah.
[01:09:29 – 01:09:41] Yes. Are you OK? Do you want to do English or English or what do I find? Yes. I’m just trying to get in the same space.
[01:09:42 – 01:09:52] Kind of flying. Yeah, sure. You have a question? I wouldn’t be able to hear you. Yes.
[01:09:54 – 01:10:03] I was just told from the media today that I’m not free. I hope this was introducing the exercise.
[01:10:03 – 01:10:13] I’ve got small images. I think it was to find a more specific way, but it was when it became very clear.
[01:10:15 – 01:10:28] The particular way was an image of swimming. It’s almost too loud. And an image of dancing. I don’t know how those two work. Think about it.
[01:10:28 – 01:10:40] Actually, if you think about it, it’s more like a lesson that you know. But more like… It’s a wonderful thing. The memory makes up the thing. I hate you, sir. I mean, I guess… That’s what I…
[01:10:40 – 01:10:51] I’m just wondering how you kind of come out of this. My first time, I was here. And I was in that crisis. I think that crisis… Yeah.
[01:10:54 – 01:11:06] I… I was more thinking of… But you were… When you said this, it was… You mentioned about the skids. I think… Yeah. Outer focus.
[01:11:08 – 01:11:20] Outer focus. Yeah, exactly. As if it should come from the outside. But… First bar. So a lot of focus. And I was always… You could see a little bit. Like, it’s quite easy to listen to.
[01:11:20 – 01:11:33] More like cramping, I think. Especially when you also have time. I think that is fine. More than length. A link vector, I guess. Because I was so attention… Yeah. It’s a point where… Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:11:33 – 01:11:33] Yeah.
[01:12:10 – 01:12:18] I don’t know if you could imagine like this canvas or something, and if you want to soft
[01:12:18 – 01:12:28] it will kind of just float and then I don’t know if you could sit with it or something
[01:12:28 – 01:12:38] you could feel it the same way as if it was stiff, you can maybe feel more but probably also the opposite I don’t know, but it felt more like…
[01:12:40 – 01:12:53] I’m thinking of the tuning fork, you know this, you ding and then it resonates and it has to be really stiff and precisely like a certain hardness in order to resonate with the canvas
[01:13:01 – 01:13:11] It was funny because I was focusing on these sound reducing nets which actually don’t listen, they just absorb
[01:13:11 – 01:13:16] this contrast at some point like, this has got to be used
[01:13:19 – 01:13:28] They’re put in to kill the sound It took me a little bit of time but I think it’s killing the guts So I can imagine like
[01:13:32 – 01:13:44] Where is something saying something? Then this time goes on and you’re just saying what you don’t And then that allows you to focus on the human
[01:13:46 – 01:13:56] And then… Okay That’s not fun Anything else? In touch with us a bit, was it enabled?
[01:13:56 – 01:14:00] Yes, that’s something that we were going to discuss Yeah
[01:14:11 – 01:14:21] I was really uncomfortable in the beginning I was in a place where my foot was like this And they were talking about tension I could not focus on anything
[01:14:21 – 01:14:34] I was listening only to my own little pain in my left leg And then when we had to stand up I felt really light and at that point I really started to
[01:14:34 – 01:14:45] I don’t know if it’s listening A little bit I was like that part It’s easier to understand when you’re Extroverted listening maybe But I don’t know, that’s just
[01:14:45 – 01:14:57] I also feel like Too many things When this is more when this is sitting for a long time There are some conditions Later on
[01:14:57 – 01:15:08] There are some things going on I’m very curious about the physical I think I choose one There is a physical kind of thing
[01:15:09 – 01:15:21] Kind of like a shift Now even my whole body is in touch with me I touch somebody It’s like I’m losing control It’s different I think the stiffness that I was feeling was
[01:15:24 – 01:15:34] Constrained It was trying a lot Having this active Sometimes it feels like this Wish or action
[01:15:34 – 01:15:46] So it was not It was not Constrained I think the other bodies were
[01:15:47 – 01:15:55] Both focused Yeah Focused Yeah Yeah But No we were at this
[01:16:02 – 01:16:16] I think in Malmö we got a lot of our senses, so we only had focus on one sense, and that
[01:16:16 – 01:16:27] was very interesting. Enlarging actually, having less senses to focus with was actually opening more up, and
[01:16:27 – 01:16:38] there was a little bit of this going on, which was the touch, the only focus on the touch.
[01:16:40 – 01:16:50] Not hearing, but smelling. Smelling wasn’t important, there wasn’t so much smell anyway, so it was very tactile,
[01:16:51 – 01:16:57] and that was especially not having sight. That’s why I didn’t…
[01:17:03 – 01:17:15] So I think we had to include the body. The listening body needs to allow a kind of… Kind of feelings, how to be a body, and also how to dislike the body. A fifth? Where? I don’t know.
[01:17:19 – 01:17:28] I’m thinking a bit about what is an un-listening body, when does that help us? Yeah, I don’t know. It happens.
[01:17:30 – 01:17:35] I have a body that is not listening. I don’t have the ability to push back.
[01:17:36 – 01:17:46] I feel like it’s rare that I’m not in some kind of resonating relationship with someone
[01:17:46 – 01:17:58] who I can be more close to, or have my guards up, and I can be more receiving. Just circling around.
[01:17:58 – 01:18:06] I have my hearing. I’m open to that. Yeah, I guess…
[01:18:06 – 01:18:15] Well, I think you seem to know if, like, maybe the fact of having this knowledge… True.
[01:18:16 – 01:18:28] We were in a brain of a native, and our attack was too huge. Then we stopped. We stopped something that we knew. I think that they also stressed with the…
[01:18:29 – 01:18:38] Actually, I told you it was… Rather than maybe coming close to us. Maybe in the beginning here, it’s easier to focus on anything else. But it’s true.
[01:18:39 – 01:18:51] When you’re in a situation where you’re functional, and when you’re in a safe space, or a safe situation… I guess also being stressed is also like one wants to listen to everything at one point.
[01:18:52 – 01:19:01] It’s really a wish to not only listen, but to be able to contain all this going on. But maybe that fails.
[01:19:01 – 01:19:14] Maybe listening to something we often fail to use. It’s also… That’s why I also have the artificial moment. Our stress is…
[01:19:14 – 01:19:27] Where people close off somewhat, or focus on some way… It’s hard to… Free… Just like…
[01:19:28 – 01:19:38] Just like… Just like thinking about the issue. If you need a new question, put one in the chat. Yes. It’s kind of a different time.
[01:19:38 – 01:19:50] It’s also about the same thing. It’s not just in your mind. It’s in your body. It’s not emotional. It’s about the same thing. It’s about the same thing.
[01:19:51 – 01:19:58] So it’s a different question. It’s not just a question about the same thing. It’s about the same thing.
[01:20:08 – 01:20:22] Maybe even knowing something is kind of opposed to listening to have a preconceived idea of what the sound should be.
[01:20:27 – 01:20:43] For example, I haven’t heard some songs that I really listen to, and I really enjoy it, and then listen to them perhaps, and they’re like, they’re most dramatic, perhaps, and they just become more and more.
[01:20:47 – 01:20:55] Can I say something? What vibe is it? Unknown.
[01:21:01 – 01:21:08] It’s very… Just curious. Aware.
[01:21:15 – 01:21:33] I mean, I’m just trying to think about, I guess my reference point is someone who is good at listening, or who I feel is kind of listening in conversation.
[01:21:33 – 01:21:38] And then it’s often someone who doesn’t listen. Yeah.
[01:21:50 – 01:21:55] It doesn’t seem like it’s trying to run away from everybody.
[01:22:40 – 01:22:44] I don’t know.
[01:23:00 – 01:23:08] Some of the other things that I’ve been paying attention to, where I am not sure if I’m listening or not.
[01:23:11 – 01:23:23] If there is something that is trying to be put out to me that I’m not catching on to. And I kind of know that it’s a subjective experience.
[01:23:23 – 01:23:32] And I get what I get and I see what I see, but it’s what kind of… I keep reoccurring.
[01:23:34 – 01:23:41] I can feel even when I’m supposed to be receiving,
[01:23:41 – 01:23:48] that I can get a little obsessed with what I do not hear.
[01:23:50 – 01:24:03] Or maybe also how I’m supposed to feel, by hearing this, which I’m not feeling. I don’t know. I don’t know. It’s something like whether I’m performing or not.
[01:24:03 – 01:24:08] I’m sure it’s helpful. It’s like there’s a difference from choice.
[01:24:11 – 01:24:22] What do you want to do as a part of our education, what do you want to do for the situation in which all of us are in? I’m trying, so if there is something that we can do, it’s the same.
[01:24:26 – 01:24:40] Well, I think it’s hard to call it a symptom, but it’s a result of being surrounded maybe with a lot of sound that has a lot of coverage.
[01:24:42 – 01:24:53] It hurts or it’s in speech. I guess it’s also a message to my co-author. There is some logic to it. It’s hard to understand the situation.
[01:24:54 – 01:25:01] At least when I talk in speech, it pretends to be like that and I tend to listen like that when I speak to people.
[01:25:01 – 01:25:13] And sometimes I think when I’m in another kind of listening room, I take that kind of listening that way. Yeah, listening that way. I think it’s on the hunch, was I right? Very clear.
[01:25:14 – 01:25:25] I think it’s on the hunch. Into that sitting room, and I can see one doesn’t want to give me a lot of it, and maybe there’s a glass in the glass. And maybe not letting go of that.
[01:25:26 – 01:25:35] I just want to talk to him. So I’m just talking to him. I’m just talking to him. Because I’m afraid, because I’m afraid.
[01:25:36 – 01:25:40] I just want to be in touch with him.
[01:26:12 – 01:26:24] No, actually I felt it. No, but it’s not something that’s going on. I just felt it. Yeah, I feel it. I don’t wait out for it.
[01:26:24 – 01:26:36] So everything has to be. But it’s true, I mean, I guess. To have a musician, you have to be a musician. But you can’t have it unless you have to have it. Oh, what’s the…
[01:26:38 – 01:26:47] An idea of a person who’s in a meeting with his partner. What can I get out of this? What do I get out of this situation?
[01:26:49 – 01:26:59] Maybe if we all reveal it some other time, maybe we don’t get it. Maybe we don’t get it. Because there’s maybe not a connection with it. Or something.
[01:26:59 – 01:27:11] But at the same time, you’re searching for kind of… And then you look out, and one year later, it’s open. One year later. One year later. I think it’s a balance.
[01:27:11 – 01:27:21] I think this drive towards searching for it also creates curiosity. And then, so there is some kind of like… So it opens, actually. So it opens.
[01:27:21 – 01:27:34] I think also my confusion and my restlessness is like, push me closer to the little object which I’m visiting. At the same time, it can also…
[01:27:35 – 01:27:47] I feel like it comes with this, like, it stretches and then it releases and I fall into it. And I think if that release which I felt, for example, when we laid down,
[01:27:47 – 01:27:58] I kind of stopped questioning what I was doing. It was really pleasant. But I’m not sure I would perhaps would have received it at that point
[01:27:59 – 01:28:07] if it had not been there. Intentionally. Yes.
[01:28:14 – 01:28:27] But I think there’s very many conventional situations where I fear being giving up on this
[01:28:27 – 01:28:36] hunch of meaning is accepted or given a little distance. I don’t feel like I could actually do that. No.
[01:28:39 – 01:28:47] Yeah. Of course we talked about training. But I think that’s a kind of similar way.
[01:28:47 – 01:28:59] You don’t have anything to say but also habits are something that . And
[01:28:59 – 01:29:09] if you are just to share with the talker, one thing, for example, if you’re lying down, it’s also
[01:29:09 – 01:29:22] something you would like to voice. You also search for knowledge how to materialize your experience and
[01:29:22 – 01:29:34] to be able to share it. Yeah. Because it’s unnecessary. And also about how to stay with that.
[01:29:35 – 01:29:48] So I’ve just asked the group to open up the little groups and share some more with new people. But just to keep a general conversation going. And then in five, ten minutes each,
[01:29:48 – 01:29:56] there will be a final phase of this talking sharing. But now you are. .
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[01:36:02 – 01:36:12] It talks a bit into it, a word that is also touched upon, that is occurring in all of the questions, as a listening body.
[01:36:13 – 01:36:28] It’s talking a little bit about when are you not a listening body, trying to figure out what is this body that listens, and is there a state where you are not a listening body, and what are you?
[01:36:30 – 01:36:41] I guess you are a listening body to that too, even in the capitalistic hell of a country. When I was listening to the shoe, I didn’t listen to the anesthetist. No one.
[01:36:41 – 01:36:44] Sometimes I listen, but there are many frequencies.
[01:36:46 – 01:37:02] We also talked about this, when is the listening body not present, and maybe the listening body is always present, as one of these, or as many of these frequencies.
[01:37:03 – 01:37:12] Maybe we have to attune ourselves more to it. It takes more of this. It has more of this space.
[01:37:16 – 01:37:21] You talked a bit about closing off on your stress.
[01:37:23 – 01:37:35] It’s funny, I have this idea of the listening body that it needs to be opened up, and it needs to be receiving as much as possible, but that it can also have this effect of overload.
[01:37:37 – 01:37:39] As you talked about with the senses also. Yes.
[01:37:41 – 01:38:00] I think that the listening body is, that maybe there is so much information in being a listening body that it’s not an easy job, and it can also be a harsh experience to have a body that is constantly listening.
[01:38:02 – 01:38:08] Maybe the more important question is how do you bring it out? How do you extract it? How do you find it?
[01:38:09 – 01:38:17] to everything, or it might not be, because if you listen to something more specific,
[01:38:18 – 01:38:31] like you listen to less, and you are a different listening body, then you might actually open up, so it’s not always just about opening up to everything, it can also be opening a
[01:38:31 – 01:38:40] little bit of everything, and then you give your listening to the space instead of everything.
[01:38:43 – 01:38:54] One of these days we had a conversation about this kind of similar, like, again this idea
[01:38:54 – 01:39:00] of what is a listening body, what is the state of a listening body, and we talked about that maybe the end of a listening body is the end of a listening body.
[01:39:01 – 01:39:07] So the entry point into listening as a body can happen everywhere by just listening to
[01:39:07 – 01:39:20] what is there, if it’s stressed, and actually just acknowledging it, and kind of not saying oh it should go away because I want to be in a different state, but just by going into
[01:39:20 – 01:39:30] what is there and listening to it, that opens other venues as well. Good question.
[01:39:36 – 01:39:47] Yeah, because again also, and I guess this is kind of capitalistic, it has to be a certain thing, you need this and this and this, you need these commodities, these situations,
[01:39:48 – 01:39:52] you need to be like this in order to be listening as a body in the right way.
[01:40:06 – 01:40:19] I don’t know, I mean, it keeps me thinking about the collection editing machine, like how it’s also small, so it’s like, yeah, it’s a big sample. It’s small, it’s kind of like a listening body on its own.
[01:40:19 – 01:40:30] It’s so interesting that you need to have resonance of like, you know, you can load it, and what does it rely on? In a way it doesn’t, it’s not a matter of saying,
[01:40:30 – 01:40:39] but knowing that because of the connection with the audience, you can have a connection with the people around you. I really like one of the quotes that was being read out loud before this exercise
[01:40:39 – 01:40:47] about the relationship of the individual and the collective and how both sides… Alright, I’m terribly sorry to interrupt.
[01:40:49 – 01:41:02] We are slowly coming into the third phase of this sharing conversation part, and for that part I would like you all to just sit in a way that you find comfortable.
[01:41:02 – 01:41:13] Maybe you need to… Maybe you need to switch around a little bit. Find your own little space where you can sit for a few minutes. Also where you’re comfortable with like, I don’t know, closing your eyes, breathing.
[01:41:15 – 01:41:24] We are not returning to the groups, we are more trying to become one again. And I would like to invite you to close your eyes if you want to.
[01:41:25 – 01:41:38] And then I would like to know that what we’ve talked about now is not something that we need to share with the whole group, it’s more something to have within the smaller groups. To have something that you carry with yourself out from here today.
[01:41:39 – 01:41:51] But also knowing that what happens in the other groups, like, we don’t know it all. We don’t know all the questions, all the responses, all the sharings. We only hold a little part of what was said in here.
[01:41:53 – 01:42:04] And what I would like to do now is invite you to just sit in silence for a minute or two. And maybe you will then think about what you share,
[01:42:04 – 01:42:12] or what you held back, what was shared with you, or you might speculate into what was not shared with you but kept in silence.
[01:42:14 – 01:42:23] And you might figure out, was there some words resonating differently with you? Was there some words that meant something special?
[01:42:24 – 01:42:33] Perhaps there were also some words that were troubling you? And this is a chance to just let all that settle in your body, in this space.
[01:42:35 – 01:42:48] And maybe you arrive with some very specific words. Or maybe you even have a question, a little fragment, a note. Just something very short.
[01:42:50 – 01:42:59] Something that crystallizes something that you have inside of you. And we will still just sit in the silence.
[01:43:01 – 01:43:09] But later, in a few minutes, I will invite you. While everybody is sitting with closed eyes. And just breathing and listening.
[01:43:10 – 01:43:22] That you can share this little word, this little fragment or question. But there is no pressure. It is also important that if you are just here as a body,
[01:43:22 – 01:43:32] you are also receiving the words or the fragments of others. But maybe it is nice to let go of something. Maybe it is nice to send out a word. Let it become a seed.
[01:43:33 – 01:43:43] Something to let the conversation. And the sharing merge together. But nobody will comment on these sharings.
[01:43:44 – 01:43:55] Nobody will pick up on your word or your fragment. It will just be shared in some kind of darkness. But a very attentive, collective listening session.
[01:43:58 – 01:44:09] And I guess we will sit like this for around five minutes. So it is also okay if you don’t share your words or a fragment. Maybe you need…
[01:44:12 – 01:44:21] But I will keep time so you don’t have to think about it. And if nobody shares any words, that is also fine. Then we are just sitting in the silence.
[01:44:22 – 01:44:35] Letting the words and the sharing settle inside of us. So we can move on afterwards. But I will stop talking now. And if you feel for sharing, you can do that.
[01:44:35 – 01:44:38] Otherwise, I will start the time again in five minutes.
[01:46:35 – 01:46:36] Re-categorizing.
[01:46:37 – 01:47:36] Re-categorizing.
[01:47:37 – 01:47:39] The vibrations traveling between bodies.
[01:47:40 – 01:48:11] To be tender.
[01:48:12 – 01:48:56] How to negotiate default shutdowns.
[01:49:16 – 01:49:20] Soft highs. Soft tears. Spherical movements.
[01:49:21 – 01:49:37] And there are big sounds.
[01:49:37 – 01:50:13] The soft electric longing for tomorrow.
[01:50:14 – 01:50:21] Walking together.
[01:50:28 – 01:51:11] Listen to your heart, listen to your God.
[01:51:32 – 01:53:24] How to be a collective body, resonating, a way of resonating as a body in and with the
[01:53:24 – 01:53:26] world. Change the world.
[01:53:26 – 01:53:45] If someone would like to share something else, please do.
[01:53:48 – 01:53:55] Slowly coming to an end. Please share.
[01:53:55 – 01:54:27] Just let the words that were spoken and the words that were listened, the sensations and
[01:54:27 – 01:54:34] the reverberations settle in the fleshy archive.
[01:54:39 – 01:54:47] It will travel. It will resonate on.
[01:54:48 – 01:54:52] It will come from you, into what you encounter.
[01:55:00 – 01:55:07] Find a way to enfold it and carry it with you.
[01:55:07 – 01:56:24] This space, this moment, this situation, pretty much all of it.
[01:56:28 – 01:56:41] I guess the most important thing is to find a way to be a collective body. We have programmed in a way where there is time within the program to just stay, mingle
[01:56:41 – 01:56:53] and exit in your own place, your own will. So soon we will sort of like lose up and there will be more drinks and stuff but we are staying
[01:56:54 – 01:57:01] for at least 8. There is no cleaning up so please stay where you are comfortable and feel invited.
[01:57:01 – 01:57:12] But we are super grateful for all of you coming and being here, allowing your body to hold this space. It means a lot.
[01:57:14 – 01:57:26] And furthermore we hope that all your bodies are feeling good and if they are not, please let us know. We don’t wish you to leave here with any bad feelings.
[01:57:30 – 01:57:36] If you want to extend the program. We are here to help you with the explorations of this space.
[01:57:38 – 01:57:46] Then up on the counter there is a paper with the quotes that we shared on one side and all
[01:57:46 – 01:57:54] the questions that we discussed in the groups on the other side to take with you and keep curious.
[01:57:58 – 01:57:59] Thank you for being here.
[01:58:11 – 01:58:15] You’re welcome. Thank you for being here. I’m sorry. I’m sorry.
[01:58:16 – 01:58:26] I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. I’m sorry.
[01:58:29 – 01:58:40] I’m sorry. Thank you. Thank you so much.
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